Comments for The Hand of Dan http://www.handofdan.com A view of Argentina from quite close to the touchline Wed, 23 Nov 2011 15:32:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 Comment on Game Fifteen: v Godoy Cruz by Andrés Bedini http://www.handofdan.com/2011/11/game-fifteen-v-godoy-cruz/comment-page-1/#comment-52546 Andrés Bedini Wed, 23 Nov 2011 15:32:44 +0000 http://www.handofdan.com/?p=1090#comment-52546 Hola Dan, leo siempre tu blog, me resulta muy interesante. Soy hincha de Argentinos, voy siempre a la cancha. El tópico de hoy, me toca bastante de cerca, no soy negro, ni extranjero, ni perteneciente a ninguna otra minoría, pero desde mi lugar intento luchar contra la discriminación, sobre todo en la cancha, porque las ofensas las siento como propias. En el estadio DAM Alguna vez protagonicé algún tumulto por increpar a idiotas que no medían sus palabras. El tema del racismo, la xenofobia y la discriminación en general en las canchas es un tema digno de análisis socio cultural. Yo insisto en que la gente se transforma cuando está en una cancha de fútbol (y tras un alambrado) como bien dijiste vos, al hincha lo terminan convenciendo en que es una bestia y de ahí su comportamiento. Hay fans que sienten que todo vale para "hacer ganar al equipo de uno", erradamente, algunos creen que herir sentimentalmente al rival es un recurso valido. "Paraguayo muerto de hambre", "negro de mierda", se le grita al jugador rival, a modo de insulto. "Paragua, paragua", "Olé olé olé olé, Negro, Negro" se le grita al jugador propio, a modo de alabanza. Por eso mismo creo que la discriminación en las canchas no es genuina y pasa mas por una locura colectiva que no transgrede las tribunas. Sino ¿ cómo se explica que Eduardo Benett sea uno de los ídolos mas grandes de la historia de Argentinos Juniors?. Espero que se haya entendido el concepto, saludos! see you in the DAM! Gracias Andres por tu comentario. Estoy totalmente de acuerdo. Con hinchas como voz se puede luchar en contra y derrotar el racismo. Lo hicieron en Inglaterra y hoy dia se ve jugadores y hinchas, blancos y negros, en la cancha todos los fines de semana. Hola Dan, leo siempre tu blog, me resulta muy interesante. Soy hincha de Argentinos, voy siempre a la cancha.
El tópico de hoy, me toca bastante de cerca, no soy negro, ni extranjero, ni perteneciente a ninguna otra minoría, pero desde mi lugar intento luchar contra la discriminación, sobre todo en la cancha, porque las ofensas las siento como propias. En el estadio DAM Alguna vez protagonicé algún tumulto por increpar a idiotas que no medían sus palabras.
El tema del racismo, la xenofobia y la discriminación en general en las canchas es un tema digno de análisis socio cultural. Yo insisto en que la gente se transforma cuando está en una cancha de fútbol (y tras un alambrado) como bien dijiste vos, al hincha lo terminan convenciendo en que es una bestia y de ahí su comportamiento.
Hay fans que sienten que todo vale para “hacer ganar al equipo de uno”, erradamente, algunos creen que herir sentimentalmente al rival es un recurso valido.
“Paraguayo muerto de hambre”, “negro de mierda”, se le grita al jugador rival, a modo de insulto.
“Paragua, paragua”, “Olé olé olé olé, Negro, Negro” se le grita al jugador propio, a modo de alabanza.
Por eso mismo creo que la discriminación en las canchas no es genuina y pasa mas por una locura colectiva que no transgrede las tribunas. Sino ¿ cómo se explica que Eduardo Benett sea uno de los ídolos mas grandes de la historia de Argentinos Juniors?.

Espero que se haya entendido el concepto, saludos!
see you in the DAM!

Gracias Andres por tu comentario. Estoy totalmente de acuerdo. Con hinchas como voz se puede luchar en contra y derrotar el racismo. Lo hicieron en Inglaterra y hoy dia se ve jugadores y hinchas, blancos y negros, en la cancha todos los fines de semana.

]]> Comment on Game Fifteen: v Godoy Cruz by Richard C http://www.handofdan.com/2011/11/game-fifteen-v-godoy-cruz/comment-page-1/#comment-52545 Richard C Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:07:39 +0000 http://www.handofdan.com/?p=1090#comment-52545 A very interesting and thought provoking article. I imagine you will have heard through your British connections the media storm which swept these isles last week about Blatter and his comments. It was also widely reported here that it was not widely reported by any other countries in Europe nevermind the world. And where it was reported then it was done in a sort of "nothing to see here" vein. Then when a series of African FIFA executives queued up to praise Blatter following his hurried "Father Ted...not a racist" style interviews then we are left with the impression here that it really is a case of "the world" rolling their eyes at the FA and other home nations. As a matter of interest, were the comments/attacks by Grondona against Britain in general at the Blatter election reported in Argentina and, if so, were they supported? Hi Richard, Blatter's comments on race were hardly touched here. Grondona's about the English were covered. But he's so universally reviled, except by his bought friends, that most pay little attention to him. A very interesting and thought provoking article. I imagine you will have heard through your British connections the media storm which swept these isles last week about Blatter and his comments. It was also widely reported here that it was not widely reported by any other countries in Europe nevermind the world. And where it was reported then it was done in a sort of “nothing to see here” vein. Then when a series of African FIFA executives queued up to praise Blatter following his hurried “Father Ted…not a racist” style interviews then we are left with the impression here that it really is a case of “the world” rolling their eyes at the FA and other home nations. As a matter of interest, were the comments/attacks by Grondona against Britain in general at the Blatter election reported in Argentina and, if so, were they supported?

Hi Richard,

Blatter’s comments on race were hardly touched here. Grondona’s about the English were covered. But he’s so universally reviled, except by his bought friends, that most pay little attention to him.

]]> Comment on Game Eleven: v Colon by admin http://www.handofdan.com/2011/10/game-eleven-v-colon/comment-page-1/#comment-52542 admin Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:17:46 +0000 http://www.handofdan.com/?p=1038#comment-52542 Hi Olli, The Argentine Football Association has announced that Argentina will play Bolivia in their 2012 World Cup qualifier in Cordoba. And the Racing v Argentinos Juniors game should be pretty easy to get tickets for. Either at the Racing stadium on the day or, if you want to watch with the away fans, at the Argentinos stadium ticket window the day before or the morning of the match. Suerte Daniel. Hi Olli,

The Argentine Football Association has announced that Argentina will play Bolivia in their 2012 World Cup qualifier in Cordoba. And the Racing v Argentinos Juniors game should be pretty easy to get tickets for. Either at the Racing stadium on the day or, if you want to watch with the away fans, at the Argentinos stadium ticket window the day before or the morning of the match. Suerte Daniel.

]]> Comment on Game Eleven: v Colon by Olli http://www.handofdan.com/2011/10/game-eleven-v-colon/comment-page-1/#comment-52541 Olli Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:47:46 +0000 http://www.handofdan.com/?p=1038#comment-52541 Hello Dan, I am going to be in Buenos Aires when Argentinos plays against Racing in Fecha 14. Will it be easy to get tickets for that game? Do you btw. have any idea where Argentina's game against Bolivia in the qualification for the World Cup will be played on 11th of November? I read earlier that it would be played in Mendoza, but then I saw that the company Tangol is selling tickets for that game and they are saying that it will be played at River Plate's stadium. Best regards Olli Nevala Hello Dan, I am going to be in Buenos Aires when Argentinos plays against Racing in Fecha 14. Will it be easy to get tickets for that game? Do you btw. have any idea where Argentina’s game against Bolivia in the qualification for the World Cup will be played on 11th of November? I read earlier that it would be played in Mendoza, but then I saw that the company Tangol is selling tickets for that game and they are saying that it will be played at River Plate’s stadium.

Best regards

Olli Nevala

]]> Comment on Game Ten: v Belgrano by gaby http://www.handofdan.com/2011/10/game-ten-v-belgrano/comment-page-1/#comment-52540 gaby Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:58:56 +0000 http://www.handofdan.com/?p=1026#comment-52540 heya! someone sent me a link with your blog and ive been reading pages after pages smiling like an idiot for all of your words regarding my beloved team, argentinos jrs. I'm Argentinian, originally from paternal, and moved to the UK 4 and a half years ago. i used to be mad about football and just got WORSE since im here, surely the distance made the trick of becoming obsessed with the team, read every possible news, get involved in the message board, meet loads of fans on twitter and facebook and be in touch with them, apart of, obviously, watch every single match online at ridiculous o-clock times thanks to our (still) summer time +4 hours difference. will deffo bookmark this page and come back to read you soon xx heya! someone sent me a link with your blog and ive been reading pages after pages smiling like an idiot for all of your words regarding my beloved team, argentinos jrs.
I’m Argentinian, originally from paternal, and moved to the UK 4 and a half years ago. i used to be mad about football and just got WORSE since im here, surely the distance made the trick of becoming obsessed with the team, read every possible news, get involved in the message board, meet loads of fans on twitter and facebook and be in touch with them, apart of, obviously, watch every single match online at ridiculous o-clock times thanks to our (still) summer time +4 hours difference.
will deffo bookmark this page and come back to read you soon xx

]]> Comment on Game Nine: v Boca Juniors by Daniel http://www.handofdan.com/2011/09/game-nine-v-boca-juniors/comment-page-1/#comment-52539 Daniel Tue, 11 Oct 2011 03:08:17 +0000 http://www.handofdan.com/?p=1013#comment-52539 Congratulations on reaching 100 posts!! I've been recommending people to read your stuff and it keeps me a bit closer to what's going on in Argentina, but from a more "real" angle than the newspaper. Keep it up!! ¡¡Vamos Bicho!! Congratulations on reaching 100 posts!! I’ve been recommending people to read your stuff and it keeps me a bit closer to what’s going on in Argentina, but from a more “real” angle than the newspaper.
Keep it up!!
¡¡Vamos Bicho!!

]]> Comment on Game Nine: v Boca Juniors by Hernan Epelman http://www.handofdan.com/2011/09/game-nine-v-boca-juniors/comment-page-1/#comment-51189 Hernan Epelman Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:45:27 +0000 http://www.handofdan.com/?p=1013#comment-51189 I use Akismet to filter spam. Works great! http://akismet.com/ I agree that there was nothing to say about the game. If a ball happens to miraculously approach the goal line, a magic force field would have pushed it out. No goals were going to be scored. I use Akismet to filter spam. Works great! http://akismet.com/

I agree that there was nothing to say about the game. If a ball happens to miraculously approach the goal line, a magic force field would have pushed it out. No goals were going to be scored.

]]> Comment on Game Five: v San Martin by Olli http://www.handofdan.com/2011/09/game-five-v-san-martin/comment-page-1/#comment-45426 Olli Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:51:10 +0000 http://www.handofdan.com/?p=957#comment-45426 Hi, is it really true that away fans are banned Primera B? BR Olli Hi Olli, It is, as a reaction to past violence. Although the authorities seem to be making an exception for River Plate fans. Hi, is it really true that away fans are banned Primera B?

BR Olli

Hi Olli,

It is, as a reaction to past violence. Although the authorities seem to be making an exception for River Plate fans.

]]> Comment on Game Two: v Newell’s Old Boys by Hernan Epelman http://www.handofdan.com/2011/08/game-two-v-newells-old-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-37226 Hernan Epelman Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:10:19 +0000 http://www.handofdan.com/?p=931#comment-37226 Juan "Pablo" Riquelme?! I can't let this stand. * Sorry Hernan. I wrote it at the end of a long day. It has been corrected. Juan “Pablo” Riquelme?! I can’t let this stand.

* Sorry Hernan. I wrote it at the end of a long day. It has been corrected.

]]> Comment on River Plate v Belgrano de Cordoba by Cinthia P. http://www.handofdan.com/2011/06/river-plate-v-belgrano-de-cordoba/comment-page-1/#comment-28645 Cinthia P. Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:41:23 +0000 http://www.handofdan.com/?p=900#comment-28645 It was an intense and sad game. I've never seen so many men cry on television in one sitting. It was an intense and sad game. I’ve never seen so many men cry on television in one sitting.

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